This week someone on Twitter quoted a tweet from a fellow journalist: "Not to be dramatic, but the day @APStylebook made it okay to say 'over' when it should be 'more than' was humanity's worst day."
Not to be dramatic, but, hearing the alarm, I reached for my musket to head for Lexington Common.
We know where this comes from. An entry in the "Don't List" of James Gordon Bennett at The New York Herald reads: "Don't use 'over' in in the sense of 'more than.'" No explanation, just a fiat. A distinction with no foundation in English (we'll get to that) invented in nineteenth-century American journalism made its way eventually into the Associated Press Stylebook, to be taught as an article of faith in journalism schools and newsrooms.
The usage note to "over" in The American Heritage Dictionary attributes the distinction to William Cullen Bryant, another nineteenth-century editor, and concurs that the distinction has been championed by American editors who offer no explanation. "Over" for "more than," American Heritage says, has been in English since the 1300s and is fully standard.
Now, mind you, there's a place in my heart for pedantry. All my sympathies are with anyone who deplores that "beg the question" has come to mean "prompt the question" rather than "you've made a dumbass fallacious argument." The traditional sense, as Bryan Garner reminds us, is to make a circular argument--"that is, to base a conclusion on an assumption that is as much in need of proof or demonstration as the conclusion itself." If I see "beg the question" in someplace like The New York Review of Books, I see that someone is holding on to the traditional sense, and it would be nice to maintain it, but that train has left the station.
But "over/more than," that "over" can only be used to indicate spatial relationships, has no such traditional footing. It's merely an arbitrary distinction arbitrarily maintained in newspaper journalism for decades. It is, in Arnold Zwicky's felicitous term, a "zombie rule." It has no life, it has been repeatedly debunked, and yet it walks among us.
Jeremy Butterfield, in Fowler's Dictionary of Modern English Usage, refers to the "strong tradition in American newspapers and some American usage guides of absolute, unconditional, almost maniacal hostility to the use of over with a following numeral to mean 'in excess of, more than.'" He advises, "It is useful for editors and writers of other varieties of English to be aware that the anxiety continues (and, to judge by some editorial forums, can almost induce nausea or hyperventilation)."
Oh, Jeremy would be on my side at Lexington Common.
That meaningless distinction is one of a number of bogus rules that I campaigned against for years, until finally, at the national conference of the American Copy Editors Society in 2014, the editors of the AP Stylebook announced that the "over/more than" distinction was being dropped. There was a chorus of groans in the room, and, as we see on Twitter, the pissing and moaning about it has not died away.
That ACES conference in Las Vegas in 2014 drew lexicographers from Merriam-Webster's and American Heritage, who told me they were amazed to learn that American editors had been championing a distinction that they had never seen in English. And if you trouble to look into dictionaries, you will find that they uniformly register "over" as a synonym of "more than."
Yes, I woke up this morning and decided to swat a gnat with a ball peen hammer. But let me suggest that in all discussions like this there is an unspoken but important question lurking beneath the surface: Just what is the source of your expertise in these matters?
Well said as always, but I hope you'll reconsider your take on “beg the question.” As I wrote back in 2003 in response to a Safire dictum on the subject:
ReplyDeleteThis is one of those issues that is catnip to the adolescent language-lover but which a sensible person grows out of. I too used to enjoy tormenting people with the “truth” about the phrase, but I eventually realized that, whatever its origins in philosophy and petitio principii, I had never seen or heard the phrase used “correctly” except by people making a point of doing so (cf. “hoi polloi”); in current English usage, “beg the question” means ‘raise the question,’ and that’s that. I got over it, and so should Safire. (An anguished appraisal by the earnest Michael Quinion of World Wide Words ends by saying the phrase is “better avoided altogether”; like Fowler’s similar recommendation concerning “hoi polloi,” this counsel of despair is a sign that the language has sailed on, leaving wistful archaists treading water and clutching at the stern.)
But note: "This is one of those issues that ARE catnip . . . "
DeleteUm, technically speaking, isn’t “issues” the plural subject of the prepositional phrase beginning with “of,” and so gets a plural verb?
Delete"Sailed on" "= "left the station." What exactly are you asking McIntyre to reconsider?
ReplyDeleteWhat exactly are you asking McIntyre to reconsider?
DeleteHis sympathy with the beg-the-question pedants. He is normally on the side of English as she is spoke, and I would want him to be consistent here.
Back in my days as a crime/courts reporter at the late, great Kentucky Post -- one who followed the AP Stylebook religiously -- I often wondered why the phrases "over 18," "under 21," "over 0.10" when it came to juvies and DUI arrests, were acceptable instead of "more than." I never got a straight answer from our illustrious, if diminishing, group of copy editors.
ReplyDeleteI used to adhere to many of the old crotchets, but I've also given up on "begging the question," "white chocolate" -- because it does not contain chocolate liquor, it is not technically chocolate -- and even "unique" because even the French no longer quibble about that one. But I am holding the line against Pandora's Box, because despite what a 16th Century Dutch guy mistranslated, we should correct that error and return to Pandora's Jar, what it was in the original Greek. -- πίθος -- pithos.
From Garner’s Modern English Usage. Worth it for the quip at the end!
ReplyDeleteover. A. For more than. In one of its uses, the prepositional over is interchangeable with more than —and this has been so for more than 600 years. The charge that over is inferior to more than is a baseless crotchet. E.g.:
• “Reagan won the election by over a million votes.” Gerard De Groot, “Reagan’s Rise,” History Today, Sept. 1995, at 31.
• “He breaks off . . . from reporting the injustices inflicted on Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony (well over a hundred pages) to voice vigorous approval of Carlos Kleiber.” Paul Griffiths, “What’s the Score?” N.Y. Times, 24 Aug. 1997, § 7, at 11. Cf. above (a).
In 2014 even the Associated Press came around, finally sanctioning over “in all uses to indicate greater numerical value.” One curmudgeonly copyeditor snapped back: “More than my dead body!”
From Garner’s Modern English Usage (the app version). Worth it for the final quip!
ReplyDeleteover. A. For more than. In one of its uses, the prepositional over is interchangeable with more than —and this has been so for more than 600 years. The charge that over is inferior to more than is a baseless crotchet. E.g.:
• “Reagan won the election by over a million votes.” Gerard De Groot, “Reagan’s Rise,” History Today, Sept. 1995, at 31.
• “He breaks off . . . from reporting the injustices inflicted on Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony (well over a hundred pages) to voice vigorous approval of Carlos Kleiber.” Paul Griffiths, “What’s the Score?” N.Y. Times, 24 Aug. 1997, § 7, at 11. Cf. above (a).
In 2014 even the Associated Press came around, finally sanctioning over “in all uses to indicate greater numerical value.” One curmudgeonly copyeditor snapped back: “More than my dead body!”
I figured out long ago that for peevers, the peevery is the point. They are uninterested in learning anything about the history of English or anything serious about English grammar. A peeve being an arbitrary distinction that is not and never has been actually part of the language is a feature, not a bug: I provides more examples to peeve about. These people are unserious.
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