tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post7728807775310255124..comments2024-03-27T19:11:37.620-04:00Comments on You Don't Say: Musée des PeevologiesJohn McIntyrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03559687583130468871noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-70183991193684593272009-09-01T13:06:21.124-04:002009-09-01T13:06:21.124-04:00A comment by Joe Tello:
In 1924, Lenin wrote an e...A comment by Joe Tello:<br /><br />In 1924, Lenin wrote an essay, "On the Cleansing of the Russian Language", where he bemoaned much of what Orwell complained about in "Politics and the English Language": the use of political jargon, the perceived loss of clarity, and language loss to foreign words. He concluded, "Is it not time to declare war on the corruption of the Russian language?" This lead to various policies that enforced "approved" vocabulary, much like the type of regulation that Orwell objected to in "1984″. I thik that juxtaposing both essays would contribute to a kind of historicist component of peevology. While both authors were ideological opposites, both believed that language was an instrument of control and that "political chaos is connected with the decay of language".John McIntyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03559687583130468871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-90880466326928587442009-08-30T23:14:04.821-04:002009-08-30T23:14:04.821-04:00The accent: Indeed. Inexcusable.The accent: Indeed. Inexcusable.John McIntyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03559687583130468871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-64211235644988087202009-08-30T22:41:30.709-04:002009-08-30T22:41:30.709-04:00As director of the Museum of Folly, I extend a war...As director of the <a href="http://www.follymuseum.com/" rel="nofollow">Museum of Folly</a>, I extend a warm welcome to the Musée des Peevologies (surely you have accidentally put the accent on the wrong ee) and assure you we will carry your exhibition catalogues in our museum store.xensenhttp://blog.rightreading.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-64720339625274309702009-08-27T16:49:47.406-04:002009-08-27T16:49:47.406-04:00Much of the loss of standard grammar - and pronunc...Much of the loss of standard grammar - and pronunciation, incidentally - is doubtless the fault of the public school system. If the teachers pass on their ignorance, what can you expect from the students? And then there is the press......not to mention the writers of scripts for televison.Patricia the Tersenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-45733706493447217682009-08-27T11:47:32.365-04:002009-08-27T11:47:32.365-04:00Complaining about the loss of "of" from ...Complaining about the loss of "of" from "couple of" or "from" from "graduate(d) from" is hopeless. Yes, those prepositions used to be standard. But they're disappearing from English. The loss of small bits of redundant phonemes is one of the most common kinds of language change. A thousand years ago, English lost most of its inflectional endings, and the language survives without them. The loss of final sounds from words is common, as seen over recent centuries in languages as diverse as French, Estonian, and Mandarin. Leaving out things like prepositions or pronouns when they are obvious has happened in many manguages. Russian no longer has a present tense of "be" (though Ukranian still has it). And so on. Feel free to be peeved about such things, but you can't fight it.jc1742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-88466467615322881972009-08-27T11:00:23.068-04:002009-08-27T11:00:23.068-04:00I like it but I prefer the spelling to be, and the...I like it but I prefer the spelling to be, and the sounding out of the word, to be PEEVIOLOGY, as in PEEV--EE--OLOGY. Peevology sounds like there's a sound missing to make the word more ....graceful. PEEVOLOGY sounds too quick, although it is correct for what the museum curates. But l like Museum of Peevilogoy better. Second opinion?DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-44299918661350091822009-08-27T08:28:48.651-04:002009-08-27T08:28:48.651-04:00If you wanted to sound like a 1930s era pedant, yo...If you wanted to sound like a 1930s era pedant, you could say "Patrick was graduated from college." If you wanted to sound like a rough-hewn ordinary bloke, you could say "Patrick graduated college." I think "Patrick graduated from college" is the most usual form, though. <br /><br />When I read "has it become correct to say a couple dogs were seen sniffing," I unconsciously inserted "of," so that I had to reread the sentence to see what your question was about. No pause required, in my case at least.aciliushttp://losthunderlads.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-73526639391598617482009-08-26T17:40:42.178-04:002009-08-26T17:40:42.178-04:00Speaking of peevology, I have two peevology questi...Speaking of peevology, I have two peevology questions. Is it correct to say that someone graduated college. My mind always stops to insert a "from" between "graduated" and "college"? Similarly, has it become correct to say a couple dogs were seen sniffing. My mind has to insert "of" between "couple" and "dogs." Nothing is saved by ommitting a word if the reader has to pause to mentally insert it.Patrick K. Lackeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-71342050651331205292009-08-26T12:34:42.144-04:002009-08-26T12:34:42.144-04:00It isn't only rightists who use rallying cries...It isn't only rightists who use rallying cries like "I want my America back." During the Bush/ Cheney years there was a lot of that from the left as well, as for example with Michael Moore's "Dude, Where's My Country?" And a good thing, too; if right-wingers were the only ones capable of raising a protest when things have taken a turn for the worse, we'd all be obligated to become right-wingers. <br /><br />Though Patricia the Terse and I don't agree politically, I sympathize with her on this point. It is time we had a version of Godwin's Law declaring that any participant in a debate who accuses an opponent of wanting to return to the Fifties, "when blacks were at the back of the bus," has lost that debate.Aciliushttp://losthunderlads.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-25355305005995518792009-08-26T07:07:13.405-04:002009-08-26T07:07:13.405-04:00One of my favourite examples of peevology is Orwel...One of my favourite examples of peevology is Orwell's Politics And The English Language - which combines a solid argument about the relation between words and ideas with a bit of whinging conservativism about how dreadful things have grown.Sarah Ditumhttp://www.sarahditum.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-6977219448546540832009-08-26T05:56:27.884-04:002009-08-26T05:56:27.884-04:00“I want my America back” is not a policy critique....“I want my America back” is not a policy critique. It is an emotional appeal with the advantage of not risking the alienation of anyone. What is "my America"? Whatever the utterer wants it to be. Great for politics. Meaningless for debating policies and proposals. Of course, who wants to actually discuss policy and proposals anyway? Bor-ingR.Hendricksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-57550474758679740552009-08-26T02:27:46.861-04:002009-08-26T02:27:46.861-04:00You mean Swift's "Proposal" wasn'...You mean Swift's "Proposal" wasn't satire?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-61891848595316122982009-08-26T01:33:58.362-04:002009-08-26T01:33:58.362-04:00They are protesting policies that one or more fact...They are protesting policies that one or more factions of a now one-party government, and the special interests that support them, very much wish to see made law. Once bills are signed,it is far too late. If you think the majority of protesters see the bogeyman everywhere, you've been living too close to Washington , and in a majority Democratic state and city for too long. Any attempt to make medical insurance the sole province of the federal or indeed any state government - which many on the left wish to see as law - would result in such disruption in all aspects of this current social and economic system, that any attempts to dismantle it would take decades. That is what they are protesting. It is the same impulse that got people angry about "reforming" immigration policy. There were too many hidden demons in the proposals that would have made the system more expensive and more unfair to native-born and naturalized American citizens. These are not the fans of conspiracy: they see and hear what their elected representatives say and do and they don't like it. These are, for the most part, concerned, worried, voting Americans: they know that their Constitution allows them not to let the government that is supposed to work for them,run over them with policies they oppose. If you are looking for "other factors", I suggest you look at the likes of George Soros, say, or the NBC News empire. Incidentally, I was of the opinion that this space was to be about language, editing, and other matters pertaining to the subject. When you append remarks like ** (ut supra) you change the tenor of the conversation - and not to the good.Patricia the Tersenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-8136518066072726102009-08-26T01:13:13.490-04:002009-08-26T01:13:13.490-04:00Homophobia is a fear of homosexuals, not the disli...<i>Homophobia is a fear of homosexuals, not the dislike of them. The two are not the same.</i><br /><br />Ahahahahahahahahahaha.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-58756284254476575302009-08-25T21:54:45.279-04:002009-08-25T21:54:45.279-04:00Re the Democrats and their plans to grab more powe...Re the Democrats and their plans to grab more power: <br /><br />I certainly don't object to anyone's opposing the policies of this president or any other. <br />But when I see people protesting policies that do not exist, I suspect that other factors are at work.John McIntyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03559687583130468871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-76777468064319539572009-08-25T21:18:53.920-04:002009-08-25T21:18:53.920-04:00Re: the 50s 'halcyon days' - spot on! For ...Re: the 50s 'halcyon days' - spot on! For further evidence of the wonders of this mythical age watch Revolutionary Road.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-68323726333805647142009-08-25T20:04:53.940-04:002009-08-25T20:04:53.940-04:00Let us not neglect perhaps the most peevish of con...Let us not neglect perhaps the most peevish of contemporary peevologists, John Simon, whose Paradigms Lost was a prickly lament over the barbarism done to correct usage by authors he didn't like.James Wolcotthttp://vanityfair.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-7437482577839083712009-08-25T17:46:34.050-04:002009-08-25T17:46:34.050-04:00It's mildly interesting and immutably predicta...It's mildly interesting and immutably predictable that when Americans speak out against the Democrats' latest plan to grab more power, influence and sway over individual decisions, they are accused of wanting the 1950s back, an obvious cypher for being racist, sexist and anti-homosexual. (Homophobia is a fear of homosexuals, not the dislike of them. The two are not the same.) This specious comparison just doesn't work anymore, so please don't use it. I can disagree vehemently with any President's politics: does that make me biased against whites, blacks, men, people from Kansas, people with thinning hair, or Presidents who smoke? When the argument fails, the calling of names begins. The 1950s were hardly the worst of America. And the current versions of The Book of Common Prayer do make the service incomprehensible - it's rather like reading a badly edited newspaper. "My tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth....." If only......Patricia the Tersenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-53200386526320125682009-08-25T16:49:02.462-04:002009-08-25T16:49:02.462-04:00I have little expectation of engaging productively...I have little expectation of engaging productively with peevologists; my ambition is to rescue their innocent victims.John McIntyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03559687583130468871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6051744883907551402.post-23357704806655473572009-08-25T16:25:25.665-04:002009-08-25T16:25:25.665-04:00I think that you've actually identified the sa...I think that you've actually identified the salient characteristic of peevology, but along with it, also showed why there's no point in attempting to engage with peevologists rationally. Because it isn't about language/healthcare/whatever, it's about a sense of embattlement which gives purpose to people's lives.mikehttp://www.mikepope.com/blog/noreply@blogger.com